Please review my battery pack so I don't make a šŸ”„

Iā€™m getting ready to make a 12s6p battery, and I made a 3d model to try and show my proposed layout to get some feedback on it:

Each part of the 12 series is a collection of 6 cells, connected together in parallel in a 2x3 config. The series snakes out and back from the terminals. Each series in upside down of the one before it so that nickel strips can be welded on from one series straight across to the next one. The squares on top of the pack represent where the strips are connecting series together. It might be hard to see, but there are some on the bottom of the pack as well that continue the snaking pattern.

The primary goal of this layout is to eliminate any head to toe connections that would result in nickel strips being bend.

All connections will be made with a spot welder, and the terminal leads will be soldered onto the nickel strips before being welded to the pack.

Also! Iā€™m planning on drawing 100 amps from this 12s pack. And want to make sure I have enough layers of nickel. My strips are 8mm x 0.15mm for a cross-section of 1.2mmĀ² per layer of nickel. I plan on making ā€˜laddersā€™ on positive an negative terminals of each of the 12 segments like this:


(just image the image is 3x2 instead of 5x2)

After spot welding each of these 12 segments into this pattern with one layer of nickel, Iā€™ll use three strips of nickel and three lines of this fine braided wire to connect each series together

Wiring from the battery to ESC is 10 awg braided and silicone insulated wire.

Is this enough?

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For the parallel connections, it should be enough from what Iā€™ve heard. I used wayyy more in my pack but other people havenā€™t had issues with how much you are using.

For the series connections, I would probably skip the nickel strip and only use braided copper wire. Donā€™t know if itā€™s true that it can do 32A, but if so, it should be enough while still keeping some flex in the battery.

You could also use copper strip. I have heard it should be pretty good and can draw a lot of amps (more than 100A)

Looking over some of the ampacity charts Iā€™ve always noticed that copper is lower resistance, thereby able to handle more current before getting hot.

Why donā€™t we all just use copper instead of nickel?

Idk lol. Thought somewhat the same lol. Maybe because not all of ours spot welders can weld copper.

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Your layout can vary depending on the available space. Here is my 12S7P

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Copper has good conductivity, but it also spreads heat quickly. Copper welding is almost impossible with nickel spot welders.

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Yeah this is basically identical to my first config idea! I originally thought of 6x1 grouping similar to your 7x1 but lately Iā€™ve been leaning towards 3x2 because that way I can have the overall positive and negative terminals next to each other rather than on opposite ends of my pelican case

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I wish I had read this yesterday. Guess I need to add some extra protection between the p-groups :sleepy:

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Has that BMS been working well for you? I bought an identical one recently but noticed itā€™s missing a component:

none of those packs are mine

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Ah I just realised

Sorry to interupt the chat but i just welded part of my battery together and the left cell is 13 degrees hotter then all the other ones. I dident short it out or anything.15553633848031773625266 just a bit confused

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That 10AWG wire is good for 55A continuous and 110A for <10 seconds.

That 0.25" tinned copper braid is good for 40A continuous and 75A for <10 seconds.

Double those for double the rating.

Is this a normal thing for the cells to do. I replaced it with a fresh one and the same thing occured

They might be balancing. Measure the voltage on the cell and the voltage on the P-pack. If they are off at all, they will immediately begin balancing (charging the lower one, discharging the higher one)

You donā€™t want more than a 0.1V difference and itā€™s better if they are the same before the weld.

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Ok that makes sense now. It was at a lower voltage than the others. Should i just weld it back on and leave it or charge it up to the same voltage?

Each strand of the tinned copper braid is good for 40A, so I have 3 lines of it connecting each series together. Thatā€™s fine, right?

Iā€™ll double up on those power lines from the battery to ESC. Would it still be ok then have them conjointed back into a single 10 awg wire right before the ESC? The ESC has power input as single 10awg with a xt90 connector. Would it be fine to continue using these or should I desolder them from the ESCā€™s pcb and replace with something more heavy duty? (Flipsky dual)

If itā€™s within 0,1V you should weld it in. Make sure the temperature goes back to normal. If itā€™s not within a tenth then donā€™t weld it in until it is

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