That’s an rkp and it slithers like a snake, but good video…he actually said something good too that differentiate tkp vs rkp.
Tkp wants to go straight. Rkp wants to be in a turn…
But imagine a board that is flapping like the rkp in the video without nearly as much turn… And going straight. You have no centrifugal force pressing you down against the board in the lean…as it’s going straight. so it feels violent without the “planting” effect of the centrifugal force.
I like the SR TKP the best also… Crazy because nobody would even buy those trucks either for ESK8.
At least I don’t see many people buying them. Can’t beat that price at $120 for a set!
Yeah, it is funny. People will spend twice as much on wheels/decks as they will on a pair of trucks. I think that’s what Wayne from SurfRodz mentioned before lol.
Same. About to pull the trigger on a new set (all gold RKP’s on a blackout bludgeon). Literally just ordered the altar wedge from @psychotiller too. Waiting on the exchange rate to dip a bit further before ordering batteries…
Back on topic. SR RKP’s with @Alphamail’s bushings are SWEET. So much better than RKP calibers. They’re just fun to ride.
TKPs have a heck a lot of rake/axle offset and don’t engage the busings as directly because they’re not at a perpendicular angle to the angle of rotation. AKA on RKPs the kingpin is ~90 deg to the pivot axis where as TKPs its a much more shallow angle.
Thats basically the only difference.
The better bushing engagement of the RKP means that it has a much stronger center and more progressive resistance, where as TKPs are usually described as divey.
The added axel offset means that the front has rake, essentially the opposite of caster. Forward motion of the deck makes the truck eager to enter a turn.
Edit: Pivot axis is actually not drawn correctly on the TKP, but still demonstrates the point.
Correct pivot axis is in blue.
There’s a lot of great tkp trucks besides surfrodz guys…and the typical tkp rider doesn’t use surfrodz, weird freeride guys do though…or weirdos like me…try some of the other 20 tkp trucks, tune them and pay attention to them like they were shiny and machined for a moment and you’d be surprised…
I only mentioned those two because thier widths and there’s mounts available for them. But yeah there are more good tkp out there…
Thanks, so TKP’s angle of axel is shallow and does not meet with king pin that not engaging bushing fully, and use indirect method of creating axis.Good to know
Some of my favorite tkp trucks, all worth a ride are: indy 169, ace 55 and 66, Avenue 169, surfrodz, Bennett vector 5inch, tracker axis, tracker RTS rear truck, and the Carver rear tkp as well…there’s many forged options as well, and indy makes a forged baseplate with hollow titanium axle and king pin. Avenues are super fun, lightweight and pump parks faster than any truck I have used, Ace carve harder than indy, and surfrodz is different and turns more so it needs big risers or tuning like carvers…one of the classic and best riding setups is the divy and turny Bennett vector 5 inch in front and the tracker RTS on the rear…its like the tkp version of having some dont trip poppies and is a great cheap introduction to real pumping setups…
I dont have much experience with tkp only tkp I have is avenue 9.5". this is really bomb. I put a little throttle and can start pumping so easy. I can probably go 50km range in sigle charge with pumping. so much fun.
Someone should try making a electric pumping board with hubmotor with these. just a hubmotor to push abit and start pumping
but I often go 30mph+ so Im ganna change to avenue rkp. cuz current set up make me sweat when I go fast.
I also love using TKP tricks for various applications, especially when I have a short board and I want a long true wheelbase (measured from axle to axle). Since we make bushings, we made the same shapes available for TKPs that we have for RKPs. We call them our “StreetSeries and they come in 2 heights. ShortStreet is .4” tall and Street is .5" tall. ShortStreet height include a Cone and Barrel where Street height includes a Cone, Barrel, FatCone and Chubby. TKP’s can be wedged and dewedged just like RKPs with similar benefits but I normally will only dewedge the rear since most TKP’s turn a lot already so I am just looking to deaden the rear a bit for higher speed stability. The differentiating factor between TKPs and RKPs is the pivot axis is not perpendicular to the kingpin on TKPs. For more information, have a look at: http://www.riptidesports.com/streetseries-bushings/
Does this mean better to go with the surfrodz tkps as long as you stay under 20mph otherwise the wobbles become difficult to manage past that speed as compared to the surfrodz rkps?
There are also double kingpin trucks like the Gullwing Sidewinder and the Evolve Supercarve. It’s a RKP, TKP, and DKP game.
woah never seen or heard of DKPs. getting weird results when Googling it lol. The double kingpin does look very unique but I’ve wondered how it performs in terms of carving and stability at speed which is what I’m looking for. @mmaner really like the SR TKPs for good carving experience(which I thought was generally better on TKPs) as long as you ride under 20mph.
I figured TSR KPs could be just as carvy as those with softer bushings? then maybe tighten them abit more when planning to go faster. Any thoughts on that?
My rule of thumb is cruisers and carver’s get TKPs, fast boards get RKPs.
You can have a cruiser and carver with RKPs but they won’t carve as hard. You can have a fast board with TKPs but it won’t be as fast.
A lot of it has to do with how you ride, how tight the king pin is, your bushing setup, etc.
Thanks for the insight! I wanted a good versatile setup that allows fun carving but won’t get me worried when going abit faster.
I’ll probably go for rkps then get some really soft bushings to maximize the carve out of them. I hear the stock SRs are so-so so I may swap them out for something softer later on. Getting wide trucks on the 200mm rkps should help with stability as wel though I recall reading that stability on rkps decreases when the length increases? Not sure why as I figured that wider trucks should be more stable overall regardless of the truck type
I don’t want to ruffle any feathers here, but Double Kingpin trucks are shit. They don’t out-perform any trucks. None. Unless you are looking for trucks that over-steer and washout. Then, by all means -Do your dance
The dkp dance…
preach it brotha!
