Looking for feedback on the battery I built

see any magic smoke come out?

No, no smoke, nothing when I get home I’ll take the cover off the VESC not that I’ll really know what I’m looking for. But if it helps get to the bottom of this

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some people here know what to look for here and are willing to help, so just upload it whenever and we can help ya :slight_smile:

Cover any exposed contact and any sharp edge of the BMS that could wear down an insulation with fish paper or some other abrasion resistant material.

okay, I’ve taken a few pictures of the fox box but nothing looks right to me… Anyone know where I could check voltages on the vest to see what actually went bad? I’m no electrical engineer but I’d be curious if it’s possible to isolate the bad component and replace it.IMG_20180929_214516 IMG_20180929_214745

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Ok so I got a suggestion from @JohnnyMeduse to follow this thread which I think has confirmed the u401 can bus is bad… I’ve done a little research on replacing it but still have a few questions.

  1. Are all vp232 can bus chips the same? or should I be looking for a specific one?
  2. I saw someone say that the chip will fry if the wires touch when soldering. Do you agree that it would ruin the chip is the ends touch while soldering?
  3. While looking at the board I noticed one of the caps are missing from the r6 spot on the board ( you can see it in the first picture above in the very bottom right corner next to the micro usb port) does this matter?

Thanks for all your help guys!! As frustrating as this is I feel like I’m still learning and getting better!!! I’m also considerably less frustrated at the moment since it seems I have the chance to possibly fix the board vs buying a whole new one

Correction its not the u401 component but the MCU or U1 component… considerably more difficult to replace lol but might still give it a try and see if I can fix it

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Visually there is no sign of :boom:. Are you 100% sure its the esc? Did you try to bypass the BMS and see if it works. Or trying a different esc with the BMS connected?

If you don’t have any extra esc’s to test, maybe one of the other forum members could help you out if they live close. Share what city you live in to see if anyone is close by.

I did check to see if I’m getting the correct voltage after the BMS and that looked like it was good. Based on the fact that the positive lead of the battery shorted out on one of these two screws Untitled
@JohnnyMeduse (who was recommended to me by a few others on the forum as one of the most knowledgeable people when it comes to troubleshooting a VESC) said it was most likely the MCU on the VESC. I spent a lot of time today researching how to replace that chip as its pretty small and had a ton of pins on it. I’ve got a replacement coming tomorrow and the bad one is already been desoldered. IMG_20181002_171442

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Well good luck on the repair. I tried to replace a DRV once but just ended up desoldering a bunch of other components. lol.

This area in blue also looks like a good way to cut the wire insulation. image

Maybe a 3D printed cover for the BMS would be a good idea. I do like your printed mounting brackets, very neat.

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Get two focboxes so you don’t have to wait weeks when they go bad, when the build is reliable sell the focboxes you still have in stock.

Please post your VESC current limits here, you might have killed the controller with wrong settings and might kill a second one if you keep the same settings

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I agree :slight_smile: if I’ve got time today I was going to try to design and print some cable management stuff. I’ll be sure to share the end result :slight_smile: If anyone is interested in the other parts I printed just let me know.

edit: Also regarding your attempt to desolder the chip, I ended up using the kapton tape to mask off the rest of the board and then took my high temp heat gun and a slowly warmed up the chip and solder. I used a temp gun to try to gauge when it was warm enough and not too hot. If you look closely you can see that 2 of the micro caps shifted a little but they are still making good contact so I should be good. now I’m just worried about the soldering part. hopefully with enough flux that will go well haha. Also I really melted the plastic plug on the back side of the vesc… luckily I have some extras getting delivered today. I’m under the impression I have to flash the new MCU chip so I plan to follow this thread: VESC Boot Loader Installation Tutorial to do that. If that is not the correct thing to do please let me know.

I don’t think it was the current limits. I was working with @mmaner to get those right. I had the max motor and batter current set to 60A. Before I do anything though I’ll be sure to share what I have in the tool so I don’t accidently overlook something.

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Quick question. Any of you have an extra 7 pin socket? I melted the one on my vesc by accident when removing the bad MCU. I’ve got some extra 6 pin sockets but not the 7 pin :frowning:15385992748816200624888862841552

Hey guys, So I got a new MCU soldered onto the board, just now finally managed to get the correct firmware flashed to it and I think I’m ready to start inputting setting for the build. Last time I was running the board sensorless in BLDC mode. But I was hoping someone would be willing to help guide me through a hybrid setup where its FOC mode in low eRPM and BLDC in high eRPM. To help get the ball rolling here is my build.

BKB 6374 190KV 3200w motor Bestech BMS Enertion FOCBOX 10S3P Samsung 30Q Li-Ion battery

Any advice is greatly appreciated. I’m not sure exactly how to enable the “hybrid” mode I’ve heard about.

not to shoot you out of the sky, but you should probably just set it up in BLDC first and see if the focbox responds well to it :man_shrugging:

thats a good idea :slight_smile: I’ll do that now and let you know how it goes (not sure if it will stop raining today but if it does I’m dying to get out and ride again!)

before you disconnect the focbox why not take some screenshots of the values that you have? Maybe thats what caused the initial issue? 4.xx hardware is pretty finicky… or so ive heard :laughing::sweat_smile:

I can do that, I was running 60A for the motor and battery max, -30A max break and -40A max recharge anyone think that would be a problem?

well 60a is kinda high for even a focbox with no cooling solutions… So be careful of that on your ride.

Whatever you do dont full throttle unloaded motors, thats a pretty common vesc killer

I mean if you need 60a, then you need 60a and I cant tell you to go lower… but maybe 50 is a nice compromise? Battery and Vesc wise

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