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I call them axle motors.
You cant say this forum doesnât bring up robust duscussions. At the end of the day Enertion have to deliver on their promise. So many kickstarter campaignes have gone no where.
Only 2 months to go before they start rolling out. Then as we all know the claims will either be delivered or not.
I dont understand why all the cristiscim. Enertion can market the product as they like. Just waiting but hoping Jason doesnt implode. Keep aiming for the finish line.
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It seems like people seem to fall into 1 of 3 catigories:
Hardcore Enertion Fan - You could give them the most irrefutable evidence of something fishy and they will bash you and defend Jason and Enertion. These people hate the hate on enertion and donât understand it. Many have likely never built their own board, and donât have the technical experience of building an eboard, which is why they are looking at completes.
The indifferent - Donât really care about the claims and the authenticity of the claims, just want their board.
The skeptic - Those who have built many boards, worked with this technology, have studied enertion for years and likely used their products with them failing and getting no help from enertion. These people likely fell for the hype at one point, to later realize its a bunch of talking points that really mean nothing, but sound great (like the r-spec motor video).
At the end of the day, I think anyone is way smarter to back the Raptor 2 than say boosted or evolve. Especially for the price, I think this board will be hard to beat. However, lets not kid ourselves by saying this will be the most power direct drive electric skateboard. Maybe for a short time, it will be. But there are many of us working on our own boards, some just DIY guys like me and hummie, some are other companies with more capital. There will be a time when you can pay 2x the price of a raptor for a far more powerful direct drive board. And that day is right around the corner. Can the raptor 2 climb 25% grade hills at 20 mph+? My boards are already doing that without breaking a sweat⌠Double the motor size soon, and I bet 35% grade hills at 20 mph will be possible. These are feets the raptor 2 will never achieve, because its a consumer grade board. That doesnât mean itâs shitty, I bet itâll be a great board for itâs price. But itâs not a prosumer or professional board.
@onloop you keep hinting that Iâm critical of you because I could be in compitition with you. But the truth is, we have 2 different markets. Your in the consumer market, while Iâm looking at the prosumer and professional markets. Iâm looking at people who want real performance, under any circunstance. People who need to be very good at riding skateboards before riding my boards, because they are just too powerful for the average rider. I hope you create a great board for the masses, it does help grow the community, which great for all of us. But until you show data with your your tests (which btw, Iâm more than happy to send you a BT module free of charge for this purpose and my app is free too), Iâll remain skeptical of the claims. Your realizing now what I told you months ago about the kv being too low to hit 28 mph is true. Youâll find by increasing the kv, youâll get little top speed gains, but will loose a fair amount of torqure. You can either do what you do now, which is argue that idk what Iâm talking about and leave this to the expects, ect. ect. Or you can accept that some have more experience in certain areas of building Eboards than you, and are just offering advice so you donât have to waste your time and money building prototypes, just to find you need to tune it the way you were suggested to before hand. But itâs your money and time, so have fun building (which I know you are).
P.S. I donât mean to come off sounding arrogant or frustrated. Iâm really pretty indifferent right now. I wish enertion the best and would never hope or route for issues with this board. I mention what I do because I see areas of improvement, which is why I am critical at times.
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Very well put sit. Completely agree with what you said.
Personally I think this Forum and also what Jason did by starting it is awesome. But as soon as you ad humans to any occasion you end up with messy things here and there.
I am a true believer in the following: âExtraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence, as long as evidence is not provided such claims should, no even need to be ridiculed and questionedâ. I think you ment it in the same way ?!
Anyway, I think marketing is definetly a needed tool and reality and wishfull thinking sometimes need to be blured to make it a sucesfull campaign. The problem is that this forum is unlike Facebook or random pages. There are a lot of poeple here that have so much experience in this industry because it is their hobby and turned for a few to a profession or just an everlasting love for e-boarding. And to those poeple It can come across rather insulting when certain claims are question of the probabilty since they know the claimed is an improbability. Further more when they are ridiculed for their critics.
For me I only talk of what I know, seen and ridden. And before I havenât seen a trustworthy independent review or ridden the board of a close friend myself I wont give an oppinion. But was truly happy to read your post!
@evoheyax I take from your last post that its worth stepping back from a point and seeing it for what that person is trying to say. I get it. Sometimes as we all know the heart or passion gets in the way of the head. If you dont take certain points on board to test youll eventually find out yourself whos right. I note recievers under carbon decks.
Think the front wheels should have been the same width. Looks odd in that first still
3 simple words.
PROVE ME WRONG
If what I am saying is not true, why doesnât someone (maybe you) simply get a more powerful DIRECT DRIVE ELECTRIC SKATEBOARD and take the prize away?
Also. If my R-spec motors where just hype? Why is it the most popular motor for esk8? Why are my competitors who build professional esk8 scrambling to source the same motor?
Why do my competitors buy VESCX to build their own products?
And finally⌠Why do you keep hyping up your vapourware esk8? Isnât that hypocritical? You complain that I hype my products (which all exist and have proven track record of quality and performance) and you come onto my thread to talk about your vapour ware bullshit boardâŚ
Hereâs my summary.
- You are deeply hurt Inside because I am clearly dominating in this field that you thought you would be a leader of.
- You are a smart guy, but very frustrated with yourself for not achieving more in life.
- You are extremly envious, you wish you had my marketing, design and engineering skills.
The difference between you an I is; I deliver. I back myself when nobody else will. I never give in. I put it all on the line. I wonât settle for mediocre. Iâm driven. Have Relentless optimism & Belief that I can achieve seemingly impossibe tasks.
Iâm the guy who will win because I donât stop working hard⌠You are the guy who spent all his time doing nothing but bitching and got nowhere.
Take this advice. Step up or step away.
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You think Iâm doing nothing, but Iâm just not showing off everything Iâve done and am doing. You like to hype by spending a bunch of time making videos, while Iâm spending that time researching. You know well that prototyping and designs take time. Things are starting to fall into place. You know that dealing with china is necessary, but takes time. Your also closer to china, which probably helps. Shipping times for many small things like heat shrink even can be 30+ days, and impossible to find in person in any store.
Your points are also all wrong, you clearly donât know me. Iâm not jealous nor envious. I admire your hard work actually. The only thing you said thatâs true I wish I had your marketing skills. But thatâs what friends with marketing degrees are for, so it doesnât bother me.
Now the question is are you willing to set time line and settle this once and for all with a race? I should have a finely tuned board by the end of May. Iâm heavier than you, but that wonât matter. You keep saying youâll race me, so race me than! Fly out to SF and race on the smooth roads of golden gate park on Sunday June 4th when the park is closed to cars. Weâll make an electric skateboarding event, draw people out, great marketing opportunity, ehâŚ
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Considering youâre the one making the claim that the Raptor 2 is the most powerful direct drive board, shouldnât the onus be on you to prove what youâre saying is true? Anything less is simply false advertising.
How many hub motor electric skateboards have you seen go up a long steep hill at speed of 35-40km/h? How many Hub motor electric skateboard can pull a truck? How many hub motor electric skateboards can beat a raptor 1 in a sprint?
If there was a more powerful hub motor electric skateboard why doesnât someone just show it?
Iâve done plenty of âshowingâ and the torrents of evidence will keep flowing.
I only make videos because people keep demanding proof! - Then when i make videos people bitch that they arenât real - then people bitch because i spent too much time doing it instead of researching, or they try to claim that they knew how to do it better then me the whole time!
Before i book a flight, at least show some proof of the amazing vapourware you developed. A photo, a video? anything will do.
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sorry for laughing. I know exactly what you mean. Itâs hard to keep these bastards happy. Donât give up my friend
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I havenât seen any but none of those things specifically prove that the Raptor 2 is the most powerful product on the market. I know of several other companies currently developing hub driven boards but so far, no one has done any direct comparisons so until that happens, we wonât really know.
Iâm not actually trying to bash the Raptor btw, I actually really like the new design for the electronics enclosure.
Youâve already seen what iâve done with my 4wd rocket board. Now imagine 2x the motor size with sensors and running high performance lipos with a bms which wonât sag and will give far better performance than a li-ion pack, especially as the battery drains.
Just a tease, I make my own decks in house. Hallow core. Pressed using our own home built 16 ton hydraulic press. This deck is not yet finished (needs some more sanding and a few layers of polycrylic), but you get the idea.
Video showing the first beta board with motors 1/2 the size of the final motors and li-ion. Lipo performance will be far better:
I was the first in this community to do 4wd hub motors that still run as good today as they did 8 months ago. By testing them over a long period of time, we were able to find some minor flaws that may shorten their life slightly that will be fixed in the next design. 3 months of motor testing would not have been enough and I donât think is enough for any hub motor to find this specific problem which will likely be a problem for you also. Final designs need testing for at least 6 months IMO with hard use, probably more.
Everything should be falling into place with the rest of the components that I donât make in house in the next few months. Iâm hoping to release a few beta boards by the beginning of the summer for further testing, much like chaka did with his free ride board.
Now are you content enough that Iâll have something serious to race you with by June 4th? Should give you time to finally tune your board also.
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Looks ugly tho
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@cesargrimmelprez What looks ugly? The board in the video and the new one are not the same. Your also looking it the board without the lid.
I also donât photoshop my images to make them look better than they really do. Photos donât capture the same look as real life, unless you photoshop them.
And the argument wasnât about making the sexiest board either, itâs about the most powerful direct drive.
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Does the enclosure mount thru the top of the deck, or are there inserts mounted in the bottom of the deck?
Good, i hope you make a badass looking board. Competition is always good. Would be happy to give my opinion about the design. Show us if you have something more finalised. But going off topic now