Bushing Set up Help

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  1. Torqueboards 218mm 50 degree cone/barrel. Drop-through.

  2. Stock bushings

  3. Currently stable up to 25. I want the same stability with more rebound and a tighter turning radius. I have the back tightened down more than the front.

  4. 15-20mph carving/cruising

  5. Blank 39" drop-through. No wheelbite. http://www.skateshred.com/index.php/wholesale-blank-longboard-decks/canadian-maple-wood-drop-through-blank-deck.html

  6. 160lbs

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I have been using the fatcone bs on my rear truck with good effect on my traction, it works much better for me than a chubby because it allows more turn but retains the stably with more urethane, it acts almost like a taller pushing and I like taller bushingsā€¦The Krankz are the best for carrying any amount of weight and retaining rebound, I have about 235lbs on my deck when Iā€™m riding and I still want a lively feel so I can carve and shred and the high rebound does that. I tried the WFB as well and they seems a little less lively, but super stable and comfortableā€¦I tend to run harder duro on the bs of every truck and softer on the rs to tune the lean, I think of the boardside bushing (bs) to be the support of the deck and road feel, while the road-side bushing is used to tune the lean and carve, it depends on the bushing seat shape though and different trucks are different trucks, the surfrodz bushing seat almost provides a progress feel when using just a barrel while the same barrel in a Caliber will feel pretty constant and linear, best bet to to trial and error till you tune to the feel YOU likeā€¦it is sort of subjective that way after you get the functionality dialed or close to what you needā€¦

I donā€™t ride anything else besides Riptide bushings now (a downhiller named Jake ā€œwingnutā€ Knutson turned me onto them), they have one for everything. I have recently tried the new Hardcore barrels and they have a nice rebound as well, but no where near the options Riptide has when it comes to fine tuning. Ace trucks are the only bushings I leave stock, they just fit me well and my weight out of the box, I sometimes use Bones hardcore on tkp trucks for bowls and things when the stocks are just too soft for my fat manatee like body and I need to check out the shorter street truck options from Riptide as well.

I have some in the Liquid Attack tkp trucks and they are really nice in that truck, I wonder how they work in Bennet, Tracker, Independentā€¦I have run Riptide barrels and fatcones and chubbies, in Arsenal, Avenue, Caliber and Paris, and they just feel better than anything I have tried. Blood orange seems rubbery, Venom seems mushy, Reflex are nice but limited to a few great uses like Bennett, and the Nipples are a weird size I only use in the Bolzen trucks where they fit better than anything else, they are like a street truck where the bs bushing is taller than the rs and somewhere between a tall and normal barrelā€¦modern rkp tall bushing trucks like the Savants, Arsenals, Ronins, Roques and others are the best turning trucks I have used when it comes to bushings, you cannot argue with more lean and bushing in your trucks, you cannot have enough of a good thing, the fatcone comes into play perfectly here, and when you have more room for a bushing and add a fat cone, you can use a much softer bushing that has the same stability as a smaller one, and lean further with more stabilityā€¦Thereā€™s also a lot of people using the bushing seat bushings now, many people who used a spherical bearing on the kingpin are now opting for a tuned bushing in itā€™s place and the downhill guys are going crazy over Roques for this reason, they are a cheap way to experience a tall bushing and insertā€¦it gives you more to tune, but makes up for the lack of queenpin and helps keep the truck centered and from shiftingā€¦I love all this new technology, itā€™s a great time to be a skater, I hope people can start to understand it all and see what I am talking about. Without tuning to your weight and preference these advantages are lost. I recommend just dumping a 100 bucks on bushing and forming a little kit like I did, that way I have a box with all the options I might ever need for any skateboard buildā€¦

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Thanks @Colson003

You are battling is a couple of things regarding your poor turning radius, first you are using a drop through deck and second your trucks are wider than your deck. Both of those features are killing the leverage you can exert over you trucks. You could achieve a much tighter turning radius by simply top mounting your trucks in place of dropping them through the deck. If that is not an option, go with a RipTide KranK 87a StreetCone / Canon front and a StreetBarrel / Canon rear with cupped washers all around. Due to the relatively short king pin of the Torqueboards 218mm 50 degree trucks, running the Street sized bushing on top which are .5" tall and the regular longboard bushings on the bottom which are .6" tall, allows you to use washers in all 4 positions and therefore greater tunability

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Hi @Alphamail, Iā€™m building a new board. Itā€™s going to be a Landyachtz Evo deck. I have a set of TB trucks to accommodate the two 6374 motors but was also considering the surf rods from psychotiller. Iā€™m 6ft 6 and 200lbs, reasonable eboard experience and loads of push longboard experience. (no ā€œrealā€ downhill experience) Snowboarder and surfer for years. I wondered if you have experience of these decks and could point me in the right direction. Iā€™m imagining 1/2" risers as the enclosure is 25mm. Looking for stabilityā€¦

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Hey @bigben, the Evo is a legendary DH deck so it should be quite stable out of the gate since the front is wedged and the rear is already de-wedged 15 degrees. Regarding truck choice you may want to review what is said regarding what the deck was designed for before you build: http://reviewlongboards.com/landyachtz-evo-review/

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Thanks for pointing me to that review. So looking at perhaps some 45 degree caliber baseplates and the TB hangers?

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I do not think the TB hangers will be compatible in Caliber base plates due to their smaller pivot nose.

Apparently I am confusing another hanger, thank you @scepterr and @Namasaki

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Iā€™m using TB 218mm hanger in caliber baseplate with RipTide WFB Caliber II 96a pivot cup :ok_hand:

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Iā€™m running TB 218 hangers in Caliber II base plates with Riptide WFB CALBER II pivot cups. The fit seems fine to though Iā€™m not an expert.

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Can you share some of your knowledge about pivot cup duros? 96a vs 90a

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@Namasaki certainly, years ago when we starting toying with pivots me made a wide range of pivot duros and sent them to our team riders to test. The results were consistent in that the preferred duro was 96a. That duro struck a fine balance between control and suppleness. At the request of one of our largest retailers, we began ,making 90a, 95a and 100a due to market pressure. Who are we to tell people what they need! I have tried them all and keep coming back to the 96a WFB for the feel of it. It is likely a option of personal preference and for a lighter weight rider the 90a may make sense but for my 197 lbs, the 96a is perfect

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@Alphamail Thanks for staring this thread. I recently got my hands on a small assortment of WFB, APS & Krank bushings and Iā€™m eager to learn and experiment with them.

Does the width of the hanger, e.g., TB 218 (305mm width) trucks affect the optimal duro of the pivot cups to use? Would 100a be better for these? Correct me if Iā€™m wrong, but due to the increased leverage of wider hangers, it seems like we need to use higher duro bushings to get the same ā€œfeelā€ that we would get on narrower hangers. Would that hold true for the pivot cups too, or am I off base on all of this?

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@Mobutusan, The bushing duro will have a much greater influence over the trucks than the pivot duro. Wider hangers do allow you to put greater force on the trucks since the pressure you are exerting on the edge of the deck is translated into hanger angulation in place of the wheel lift you could get with a narrow hanger. I personally do not think pivot duro is influenced by hanger width but I have never devised a test protocol to determine the effect.

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what do ya recommend for paris pivot cups? mine is squeaking a TON. I know i just need to put some wax in it but i would just like nicer pivot cups since these ones are cheap and salvaged from different trucks. iā€™m 145lbs.

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Our WFB compound is very quiet in comparison to stock, I suggest the RipTide 96a Paris pivots:

http://www.riptidesports.com/wfb-96a-pivot-cup-choices/

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iā€™ll be ordering soon :slight_smile:

thanks!

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Thank you for the help

  1. 852 bear grizzly trucks
  2. stock bear bushing roadside 90a plugged riot bushing.
  3. Top speed I will be going most of the time is 20 mph but would like ability to get a smaller turning radius.
  4. Cruising and Commuting
  5. Shape will probably be freeride shape landyatch switch 40.5 long 10 wide with a wheelbase of 25 wheel bite shouldnā€™t be a factor as I will be putting risers on it
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@briman05 at 52 degrees, Bear 852ā€™s are already extremely turny. Try this, if you are using cupped washers, switch to flats at least in the front to see if that improves your turning radius. If that doesnā€™t work, you might want to go down in duro or bushing shape. What is your weight?

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My weight is 175 ish. I also flipped the hanger so I believe it is 47* and I am using cupped washers

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Ok, it is a common misconception that flipping the hanger changes the angleā€¦it does not. It is still a 52 degree truck but now it has negative rake instead of positive rake. Try running flat washers on the front to see if that gives you what you want